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Post by Lex van den Berghe on Feb 22, 2013 22:20:57 GMT -5
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Bob Dawg
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Post by Bob Dawg on Feb 22, 2013 22:22:44 GMT -5
When I have time I'll go back and quote all the posts that said rob and Sean wouldn't make the f2
Very unpredictable but p. awesome
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Post by Lex van den Berghe on Feb 22, 2013 22:23:08 GMT -5
How do you guys feel these two played? Both worthy?
I expect Sean to win, as most seem to. Rob is actually a fairly good speaker though when you look at his confessionals. I feel like either guy may get frustrated when they feel the heat from the jury, which there's plenty of. I'm sure that bitterness is gonna carry over to questions. Should be interesting either way
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Coach
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Post by Coach on Feb 22, 2013 22:33:48 GMT -5
I think Rob is way too defensive. He seemed to spend too much of the game lamenting or sulking over one thing or another. I'd say it was bad for gameplay but...well...he got to the end.
Either way he won't win. I can't see him turning that jury around in the slightest.
It's pretty funny though considering how defeated he was after the switch at the start and how the PWs rallied around to buck his spirits up. Then he goes on to make F2.
I think it was us.
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Post by Brett Clouser on Feb 22, 2013 22:36:04 GMT -5
He was still wallowing a few days ago. It's kinda funny
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Post by Lex van den Berghe on Feb 22, 2013 22:41:02 GMT -5
The Rob thing at the start was so awesome. That first IC was one of the more intense ones we've done, and it all came down to Rob. Right after Pete had aligned with him then banished him too. That IC coming down to him after his already shaky start was too good
Everyone figured he'd be out so early, now he's in the F2. It's so great
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Coach
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Post by Coach on Feb 22, 2013 22:45:50 GMT -5
As for Sean's foregone victory, I'll say this:
I think he deserves it. At the end of the day, for whatever reason, if somebody makes it to the end of the game and outlasts the rest of the players it's hard to say they didn't deserve it. Sean has kept himself in the perfect spot round by round and thus has played a very good game. Bitterness from the jury aside, it would be unfair to rob him of this.
However.
I haven't found myself invested in his journey in the slightest. It's hard to get a true feel for things when you only see confessional posts. Being in the game is much more revealing. But based on Sean's confessionals alone, I've never rooted for him all game. It's nothing personal against him, it's just the way he's presented himself entirely.
In order to be rootable, somebody has to have a strong front in what they do. Whether they're mercilessly evil and barbaric (and by evil I don't mean the boo-hoo, we are mean bitches, why didn't we make the jury when it was obvious we were going to players. I mean the players who slaughter friend and foe with a smile on their face and a song in their heart) or a loyal ally who dies for their friend or will avenge their deaths for great justice, staying true to themselves and putting out a good confessional set to express their journey makes a person rootable.
Sean isn't mercilessly evil. Nor is he a true or faithful ally. He's just been...there. Flipping and doing moves that were smart for his game, furthering his game and getting to the end of his game. But the presentation was just boring to be honest. I've never felt captivated by him. I'd be happier if he'd slain all of his foes and allies alike while laughing about it but he hasn't. He's just done it and gone about his day.
Not to take away from his game at all. The game is survivor and the point of the game is to win after all. But games are a lot more fun if the people playing them take them as fun. When you sit around and play a game with a group of people, it's far better if the group are laughing and joking. Whether it's somebody being the maniacal tyrant in Monopoly or the fallen hero.
Going through the motions is dull, and I feel like Sean's game has been that. Dull. He's hit every mark, nailed every target and done exactly all the processes needed to succeed. But it's completely unmemorable in every way. His journey lacks the charm of so many others in this series.
And that is why I come to the finale feeling empty. It's not that Sean doesn't deserve to win because he did play well. It's just that, well, it didn't make a great story. Again, we're only seeing one side here in the PW lounge. Maybe there's more to it on the "battlefield". But we're essentially viewers and if they made a story about Sean's rise through Sausage Island, it would be a box office flop.
Sean: When you read this don't take any of this as a slight on you. It's nothing personal, it's just entirely down to the way you presented yourself in my opinion. I want something a little extra when I watch players in a game and merely hitting the marks doesn't cut it for me. You deserve the win, so take it and enjoy.
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Post by Brett Clouser on Feb 22, 2013 22:48:52 GMT -5
Anyway, I can't see Rob standing up to the pressure at all. If he can, he might have a chance of swaying some people. I think if you were to put their games in a vacuum and separate strategy from challenge and social performances, Rob actually has the edge. Every decision that he made in the game seemed well-placed and put him into a stronger position. He clawed up from the bottom to where he now sits and each move he made was a part of that. Sean, on the other hand, was paranoid and indecisive, and he arguably gained ground one round only to destroy it the next. He hurt himself nearly as often as he helped himself. But challenge wise, Sean's put a combined total of over 20 hours into endurance, and had a strong showing in most others. He made connections and deeper alliances and even if he betrayed those and caused some bitterness, I think it still gives him an edge over someone who was viewed as a puppet and a tool and never connected with anyone enough to shake the notion... and whose challenge performances were... lol. I can't blame him too much for it, he was doing most of it from his phone whilst waiting tables, but the jury probably won't cut him the same slack. I think Rob might get one vote. If he gets more than that, it's a Sausage miracle. Him winning should be impossible. Given this season so far though, maybe that means he will
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Post by Brett Clouser on Feb 22, 2013 22:58:52 GMT -5
I have a totally different take on Sean's edit, really. I agreed with you until the Julie boot. I feel like that round changed a lot. Sean went from the Gamebot casually marking players for death and trying to figure out the order in which they should go all whilst complaining that people don't listen to his grand ideas into something else entirely really. He seemed to have a wakeup call after Jonas left and realized the game wasn't in his hands and that he had screwed his alliance and made things much harder.
So instead he became the chronically backstabbing paranoid maniac, attempting to do good but not really knowing who was or wasn't good. He started to play panicky and I enjoyed it a lot. He was the chronic backstabber who was overcome with fear when he realized he stabbed the wrong backs and set about trying to correct it.
If you look at him like that he's actually a very fun story.
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Post by Lex van den Berghe on Feb 22, 2013 23:04:32 GMT -5
It's funny to think back on Rafiki's first Tribal. Sean was flipped ON (by Rob!) and his first ally Matthew went home. After that he went on a rampage and vowed to never be in that position again, first flipping on Jerri, then Jaime, then Jonas, then the Coven, then Cao
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Post by Brett Clouser on Feb 22, 2013 23:13:44 GMT -5
The hilarious part of that round though is that he was already throwing his ally's names out there to die.
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Post by Andrea Boehlke on Feb 23, 2013 0:41:24 GMT -5
Is Colby still banned? Oh and I think it's pretty awesome that Rob and Sean made the finale together as well. They've come a long and been together pretty much since the beginning, they've got a story. But obviously, Sean will win unless, Rob somehow impresses the jury.
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Post by Brett Clouser on Feb 23, 2013 0:43:28 GMT -5
Nah, I unbanned him.
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Post by Andrea Boehlke on Feb 23, 2013 0:47:48 GMT -5
Oh men.
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Post by Boo Bernis on Feb 23, 2013 1:43:17 GMT -5
I agree with Coach in some regards and Brett in others.
Ultimately Sean was never appealing to me is game and I'm feeling empty as well. It's still an amazing season that will end well, but there are at least 8 other people I would have rather seen win Han Sean and nothing in his story was appealing. I stopped reading his confessionals a long time ago.
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